I was honoured to appear on Anita Nowak’s Purposeful Empathy Podcast series, which is now available as the latest episode among amazing interviews with guests from all walks of life, discussing how they incorporate purposeful empathy in their work and life.
You can listen to these fabulous podcasts here:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/purposeful-empathy-with-anita-nowak/id1528606164
You can learn more about Anita Nowak’s work on her website here:
This very moving discussion actually took place on February 22, 2022, one of the longest days of my career, if not life.
On the day we recorded it, I was also participating in two other training / teaching sessions in between hearings…..
Anita Nowak is such a skilled interviewer, her questions were so insightful, that she somehow managed to get the best out of me, despite my exhaustion.
This podcast / interview is definitely one of my favourite things I’ve ever done, perhaps even the best.

Empathy is something I think about a lot. Anita very kindly gave me a real opportunity to explore my own connection to the topic. I am eternally grateful to her for including me in this amazing podcast series.
We spoke about a LOT of things related to purposeful empathy!!
Just a few topics canvassed:
- Why is Empathy an Important Skill for Lawyers to Have?
- Empathy in Law School Curricula
- What drew me to the practice of mental health law
- Interacting with clients in mental health crises
- How I’ve maintained optimism
- The Impact of COVID-19 on persons with mental health issues and on defence lawyers
- How my work with mental health justice clients has changed me personally
- My tips on fostering empathy in kids
- My tips for fostering self-empathy
- Drawing boundaries and ending toxic relationships
- The time I experienced purposeful empathy someone else showed me
- Unpaid Articles (oddly enough both topical and at the root of my favourite all time anecdote)
As it happens, I had no idea the session was being video-recorded. I wore that Pat McGrath Flesh 5 lippie just for fun, for Anita and myself. Turns out the recording is available as audio or video on a host of platforms.
Facebook: https://fb.watch/bPqjO2wl8-/
YouTube: https://youtu.be/y7qbS58Cb8A
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/CbOarH2t0is/
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6DEaUvrTRnKEhmf6tkDHoH?si=v6X9EgzrT7Gmc315CmrtAQ
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/purposeful-empathy-with-anita-nowak/id1528606164

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